Discussion:
Review to a MIA template
Mattia Rizzolo
2017-12-31 23:57:24 UTC
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[ please keep me in CC, I'm not subscribed to the ML ]

Hello debian-l10n-en!

I've been poked about a recent template for the MIA team I recently
added.
This email is to be used near the final steps of a MIA process, after
all relevant packages are orphaned, to query about the future of
somebody's account.

According to Paul Wise, it "contains a number of typos and grammatical
issues", both of which would be nice to clear out :)


Now, without further ado, here is the text in question:

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Hallo $foo,

As announced XXX weeks ago I went over your packages and orphaned them.

However I still need some indication on how we should proceed with your
Debian account — after the orphaning your account is technically idle,
and an idle accounted poses a security risk for the project.

Let me tell you about the options. I rank them a bit in the view of the
MIA team with the most favourable mentioned first.

The best thing of course would be if you could get active again. This
would make the best reason to close the MIA process for good and retain
you your account.

Otherwise, considering retirement would be anoption. Retirement has
the advantage that this would be a graceful exit which gives also the
benefit of easier return if you so desire in the future.
Let me know if this could be an option for you and I can provide with
pointers how to do that (but I hope you go for option 1
).

The least preferable option would be not to answer at all. This will
eventually lead to a where-art-though (WAT) ping and if you do not
answer to this ping as well your account will be closed by the Debian
Account Manager and therefore removing you from the project. Note that
to come back after this happen you will need to go through a full-length
NM process.


Please be assured that the MIA team is not asking you to rash any
decision right now, but it would be great if you could answer within
the next 3 months.

Remember that you are always very welcome to resume contributions at any
time, even if you go for option 2 or 3.

Thank you for all your past and hopefully future contributions to Debian!

Regards,
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The current text can be found here:
https://anonscm.debian.org/git/qa/qa.git/tree/mia/templates/by-hand/template-needswat


Thanks in advance for all the help you can provide!
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regards,
Mattia Rizzolo

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Justin B Rye
2018-01-01 10:51:43 UTC
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Mattia Rizzolo wrote at 23:57:24 UTC:

(Happy New Year!)
Post by Mattia Rizzolo
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Hallo $foo,
"Hallo" is old-fashioned or German. Use "Hello".
Post by Mattia Rizzolo
As announced XXX weeks ago I went over your packages and orphaned them.
An opportunity for a subtle aspectual distinction:

As announced XXX weeks ago, I have gone over your packages orphaning
them.
Post by Mattia Rizzolo
However I still need some indication on how we should proceed with your
Debian account — after the orphaning your account is technically idle,
and an idle accounted poses a security risk for the project.
^^
However, I still need some indication on how we should proceed with your
Debian account — after the orphaning your account is technically idle,
and an idle account poses a security risk for the project.
Post by Mattia Rizzolo
Let me tell you about the options. I rank them a bit in the view of the
MIA team with the most favourable mentioned first.
Change most of that.

Let me tell you about the options, giving them in the MIA team's order
of preference.

(It doesn't *also* need to pedantically stress the idea that you're
putting the preferred option first when the next paragraph explicitly
calls itself "the best thing".)
Post by Mattia Rizzolo
The best thing of course would be if you could get active again. This
would make the best reason to close the MIA process for good and retain
you your account.
(Surplus superlatives, and a strange "retain you your".)

The best thing of course would be if you could get active again. This
would allow us to close the MIA process for good and let you retain
your account.
Post by Mattia Rizzolo
Otherwise, considering retirement would be anoption. Retirement has
the advantage that this would be a graceful exit which gives also the
benefit of easier return if you so desire in the future.
Let me know if this could be an option for you and I can provide with
pointers how to do that (but I hope you go for option 1
).
Merely *considering* retirement isn't a solution!

Otherwise, retirement would be an option to consider. This has the
advantage of providing a graceful exit while allowing for an easier
return if you so desire in the future. If retirement could be an
option for you, let me know, and I can provide pointers (but I hope
you go for option one).
Post by Mattia Rizzolo
The least preferable option would be not to answer at all. This will
eventually lead to a where-art-though (WAT) ping and if you do not
answer to this ping as well your account will be closed by the Debian
Account Manager and therefore removing you from the project. Note that
to come back after this happen you will need to go through a full-length
NM process.
That's "where-art-thou" (in fact as far as I can see it was originally
defined as "where-are-they", but alas the weirder version seems to be
more widely used).

The least preferable option would be for you not to answer at all. This
will eventually lead to a where-art-thou (WAT) ping; if you also leave
this ping unanswered, your account will be closed by the Debian Account
Manager, removing you from the project. Note that to come back after
this happens you will need to go through a full-length NM process.
Post by Mattia Rizzolo
Please be assured that the MIA team is not asking you to rash any
decision right now, but it would be great if you could answer within
the next 3 months.
Please be assured that the MIA team is not asking you to rush to any
decision right now, but it would be great if you could answer within
the next three months.
Post by Mattia Rizzolo
Remember that you are always very welcome to resume contributions at any
time, even if you go for option 2 or 3.
Friendlier without the command to remember.

You are always very welcome to resume contributing at any time, even if
you go for option two or three.
Post by Mattia Rizzolo
Thank you for all your past and hopefully future contributions to Debian!
Regards,
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https://anonscm.debian.org/git/qa/qa.git/tree/mia/templates/by-hand/template-needswat
--
JBR with qualifications in linguistics, experience as a Debian
sysadmin, and probably no clue about this particular package
Mattia Rizzolo
2018-01-01 14:29:59 UTC
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Post by Justin B Rye
(Happy New Year!)
Likewise!

Thank you Justin for you very careful review! I have nothing to object
to anything you did, so I've simply overwrote my copy with yours and
committed:
https://salsa.debian.org/qa/qa/commit/c7c5fda1f1f1c18a031a85c8dcb0fde95d25750a

I started writing a longer reply, but I was just writing excuses for
myself! 😳
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regards,
Mattia Rizzolo

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more about me: https://mapreri.org : :' :
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